Donna
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dzyg |
Help....day14/15 babies trying to fledge!! |
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Hi I am new here but could really use some advice!! Yesterday (day 14) late afternoon I was sure one of the babies left the nest as the parents were making
quite the rucus outside, couldn't see the baby at all but I quickly went and checked the nestbox and there were only three in there, I checked cause I
couldn't imagine it being a good flyer at day 14 and I wanted to find it if it wasn't in the nest anymore! I had done my final nestcheck on day 13 and
they were all fine and doing the you can't see me scrunch. I couldn't hear the baby calling or anything but the adults were clearly trying to coax the
other three from the box. After awhile things seemed to settle down a bit but the adults were staying around the nestbox so I assumed something happend to the
one. This morning I went to let the dogs out and found a baby bluebird in the garage!! It must have spent the night there as all the doors were closed! So I
went to put it back in the box and another one was peeking out, totally unfraid of me too! I pushed the one back in (Gilwood box) and held my hand in front of
the hole until they all calmed down, two of them were trying to get out. I left and watched and in a little bit one flew out, flew a bit and landed on the
ground, not a good flyer. I put it back in the box and put a cork in the hole while I was trying to get a hole reducer made up. I had a 1 1/8 inch reducer but
wasn't sure if that was small enough for the fledglings, they really seem tiny yet, so I added a bit of cardboard on the inside to make it 1 inch. By the
time I got out there with that, one was one the ground and only two were in the box. Because of the Gilwood box they still were able to get out the top space.
I put the one back in and put the reducer on. It is working and it cannot get back out. I have no clue where the other one is. The adults are again trying to
coax the babies out of the box but after awhile realized the babies weren't coming out so they did start to try to feed them but I am not sure they are
taking the food. Took a bit for the adults to even land on the box but the female is now going to the box with food. She can't get in of course but sticks
her head in but it usually comes back out with the food still in her mouth. The one that was peeking and trying to get out did give up and I don't see any
of the three peeking anymore. What if the other two don't go up to get the food the mom is bringing, is a one inch reducer right or should it be larger
than that? I am scared if I leave that reducer on the babies will die but I am afraid if they leave the box they will too!! What do I do???? Also by putting
the reducer on, it closed up the air space on the top of the Gilwood box, I am worried it may get too hot in there today (temps are supposed to get to 80
something). That one baby I think was in the garage all evening/night so didn't get fed then either and I am worried it won't get enough food this way.
I don't know if I should just leave them in there or take the reducer off and hope for the best. Another bad thing, my husband needs to mow the lawn
tonight. Ugh! We have to get it done as we have a party on Friday and it needs to be mowed. I don't know what to do!!!!
Donna
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BluebirdNut |
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I think the key is to try and determine WHY they're trying to fledge too early. Is there something in the box that's scaring them? Wasps? Could the
adults be seeing some kind of predator, so that they're trying to call them out? If the grass is long under the box, maybe mowing it would be a GOOD thing,
as if there's a snake in the grass or something, it will be exposed.
1" should be good, the parents can still feed. If the babies don't climb up for it, then there's not much you can do about that. ~ Central NY
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dzyg |
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There is nothing that I can see as to why they would want to fledge early. No wasps, nest isn't wet. No predator that I know of, we have squirrels but they
haven't bothered them before and I haven't seen them by the box. The grass isn't that long, it is our lawn, it just needs to be mowed as it has
been almost a week since the last mowing. No snakes that I can see.
The adults are trying to feed them however I don't think the little ones are coming up for it very good. Most of the time they make several attemps before the bugs dissappear, they usually fly away with the bug yet and then come back. The adults keep trying but I am sure the babies are so used to them coming in further to feed them. What if only one or two are getting fed, I certainly don't want them to die cause I trapped them in the box! I have no clue if the other two are trying to fledge, I know at least two are though. Gosh, this is one down side to hosting the Blues, I just don't know what to do. Their first nesting fledged on day 16 but they were good flyers then too. Donna |
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Janie May |
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Donna, Cher asked exactly what I would have asked. As long as there is nothing in/around the box causing them to try to fledge I'd say you've done
exactly the right thing by keeping them INSIDE the box with a reducer. I've done it before (only one non-flier in the box that time) and while it was
something I didn't enjoy doing (he did not shut up the entire time he was locked up in there!) I am sure it saved his life. He was 15 days old.
Janie
Atlanta, GA |
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dzyg |
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So how long did you keep him in the box? I know at least some of them are getting fed but I am so scared that not all of them are and that they may die. I
know they are in great danger if they are outside the box as they cannot fly but I would feel like I killed them if they would die cause I made them stay in
the box. Should I take the reducer off in the morning (day 16) and just watch to see how they do and repeat what I did today if they still cannot fly? Should I
check them later today at all to make sure they are all ok?
Thanks, Donna |
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dzyg |
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Oh I forgot to add I was watching the box and saw the fourth one flapping across the lawn. It cleary is not ready for flight. Back in the box it went. So all
four are now back in the box, both parents are trying to feed them but I don't think the little ones are always coming up to get the food, as lots of times
the adults fly away with the food still in their mouths. Can I give the adults any more room on the reducer to get in a little further? If I made the hole 1
1/8 would the babies be able to get out? I don't want them to starve to death.
Thanks again Donna |
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BluebirdNut |
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Donna, I don't know if the larger hole would keep the babies in. Are there kerfs on the inside front of the box so that they can climb up? If the adults
are flying in with bugs, and then flying away with them still in their beaks, it sounds like they're trying to tease the babies out of the box. But I
don't know why they would do so if they're not ready to fly and there's no danger.
~ Central NY
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dzyg |
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Yes, there are kerfs in the box and the babies are peeking out now and then. What the adults are doing now is different than what they were doing yesterday and
this morning when they were clearly trying to get them to come out. Yesterday they were flying up to the box with the bugs and flying away and calling from the
tree. I thought maybe they just wanted them all out since one was out. Now though they are clearly shoving their heads in as far as they can to feed them but I
don't know if the babies are always trying to get the food or not cause sometimes their heads come back out without the bugs but sometimes it takes several
attemps to come out bugless. I went out and did a double check on the nest, no ants or wasps or anything I can see and so far the babies look fine and bright
eyed. Oh I did forget to mention, on day 13, I did clean out blowfly larva from the box. I lifted the nest up and brushed out the bottom and got lots out.
Would doing that one day make them try to fledge the next day?? Maybe it is my fault that this is happening but when I did the day 13 nestcheck (only the third
time I looked at them) I noticed blowfly larva and wanted to get as many out as I could. I did call my dh just a bit ago to make me a new hole reducer so I can
leave a small airspace at the top and this way the whole thing will be wooden without the little cardboard circle taped to it. I guess right now as long as I
know the adults are feeding them I will leave the reducer on overnight and take it off in the morning and watch them. If they try to go and cannot get into a
tree I will put them back and wait another day.
Donna |
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dogsandbirds |
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Donna, I have been gone all day getting a kid off to college so I'm just now checking in. You did NOT cause this! You have done exactly what I would have
done and you've done a good job of it too. Maybe their wing and tail feathers will be long enough tomorrow for successful flying.
Gin
Atlanta, GA |
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Ziebirds |
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Donna,
Interesting about the blowfly larva removal. When I read your first post, that is the problem I thought of right away because this time of year, as temperatures get warmer, almost all of my final EABL nestings have quite a few blowfly larva in there whereas earlier nestings had none. A heavy parasite load can weaken chicks and your removal of any larva you found there was a good management strategy. On younger chicks, I now check each one this time of year and look for larva attached to them (usually under wings or stomach). I also lift up nest and scrape out ones I can find out onto the ground where parents can eat them if they feel so inclined. Perhaps the parents were trying to get them to fledge due to the blowflies. With heavy parasite load, it would make sense that after larva removal, it would take a day or more for chicks to regain a little vigor if they were being drained of too much blood by the parasites. This is only thing I can think of off top of my head. Hopefully they will all fledge fine. Let us know what happens or if you notice or figure out another problem.
Paula Z
Powell (Central) Ohio South Bass Island (North - Lake Erie) Ohio |
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dzyg |
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Thanks everyone. I couldn't sleep last night worrying about the babies. I was so scared they would all be dead this morning. It looked as though the mom
was feeding them yesterday but I really wasn't sure if they were getting much or not. This morning I got up early and got ready, took the dogs for our
daily morning walk and then came back and took the guard off. I prayed so much yesterday and my heart was beating so hard as I opened the box and looked in.
Thank God I saw four pairs of eyes looking back at me. So I have been watching for over an hour now, no peeking at all that I could see. Took Mom half an hour
to go in and feed them but now she is feeding them and removing poop sacs but it still seems like they want them out for some reason. I have no clue why, she
will get the food and sit for the longest time either in a tree near the box or on top of the sparrow spooker before going in and I can hear her chattering.
Dad still hasn't done any feeding yet, for some reason he couldn't figure out the hole guard yesterday. So I am going to watch as much as I can today.
If one goes out and cannot fly I may just try putting it in a tree and watching it, that way at least I know they will get fed. If I have to I can always put
the guard back on for overnight. I am praying they all make it ok.
Donna |
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dzyg |
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Ok...another update.....Day 16
Well we had peeking starting about an hour and a half after I took the reducer off. First one left probably 15 min later. Flew out and up into the tree! I
was doing the happy dance until the second one took off shortly after the first. Flew out but not up and landed on the ground way beyond the tree. It can fly
just cannot get lift. I put it in the tree and have been watching it. Third one left and went out and up bypassed the nice big tree and went into some thick
brushy trees but in the tree not the ground! Fourth one started to peek but not with its head out, more just looking from the back of the hole. I
"think" it is still in there unless I missed it, no one is on the ground though so that it good. Hopefully Mom and Dad can somehow get them rounded
up and get that one a little stronger to get lift off. Of course now it has decided to get windy out too, dang it.
So yesterday we had two total non flyers....today two flyers, one non flyer and one ?? Donna
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08/13/09 10:58 AM.
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BluebirdNut |
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That's good news, Donna! Seems like things have calmed down, and although they're fledging a bit early it seems like they're ready or nearly ready
for it anyway.
~ Central NY
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